Rachael Slick, Atheist Convert, Part 1

As I said in my intro, while I believe there are some areas where her parents dropped the ball–and I shall get to them in the next installment, as they are instructive–we must be very careful here: they could have done everything right, and that does not–in any way–guarantee that Rachael Slick would have grown up to be the perfect Christian woman that every Christian mom and dad hopes for their daughter to become.

Yes, Rachael Slick is responsible for her atheism. I say that not to pile onto her. In fact, as I said before, I have no interest in her condemnation; quite the contrary: I would love for her to see the error of her ways and enjoy the grace of God.

As I read her account, there are some things that stand out about her:

(a) For one, let’s look at the questions she wrestled with:

As my knowledge of Christianity grew, so did my questions — many of them the “classic” kind. If God was all-powerful and all-knowing, why did He create a race He knew was destined for Hell? How did evil exist if all of Creation was sustained by the mind of God? Why didn’t I feel His presence when I prayed? 


While it is great to feel God’s presence when you pray, that is not a compulsory requirement of prayer.

Rachael, did it occur to you that there is no evidence that Joseph “felt” God’s presence with him as he endured hardships that would make yours pale in comparison? Early in his life, he had some dreams that were indicative of future greatness. And yet those “dreams” were dashed quickly: he was beaten within an inch of his life by his own brothers, sold into slavery by his own brothers, framed for a crime he didn’t commit, forced to spend upwards of at least ten years in an Egyptian prison, during which time even people for whom he had favorable words had forgotten him.

Did it occur to you that, during those years, there were times when Joseph didn’t “feel” God’s presence?

When you look at the hard years that Zechariah and Elizabeth endured–not having children of their own, dealing with the derision of their community that looked down on them as an accursed couple–is there any evidence that they always “felt” God’s presence when they prayed? Think of how many times they must have prayed for a child, and yet–year after year–no baby.

Think of all those years where Jeremiah poured his heart out to his fellow Israelites. They rejected almost everything he said. As they rejected his warnings, he witnessed–firsthand–the decline of his country. He suffered along with them. Think of how many times he must have prayed for relief, only to experience more suffering.

We experience evil, sadly, because of the curse of the Fall. As we experience this–as a result of our own sins, the sins of others, and even the curse of Sin itself–it should provide insight into to the love of God, as it is a miracle that He redeems anyone.

As for the dynamics of Lucifer’s rebellion–which was THE original sin–we know only what God has made known to us. There are mysteries that we do not know, and may never know. A rational Christian faith, however, does not require that I must be able to answer every question to my satisfaction. We must remember that, as fallen, imperfect beings whose range of vision is finite, there are some issues to which–while it is okay to ask the questions and mull over them–it is hardly logically necessary in order to receive the Truth that God HAS given us with sufficient clarity.

And that brings me to the premise of a race that is “predestined” for hell. While that is certainly a very unpleasant premise–and, trust me, the dynamics of how this will be worked out in the final judgment is not for you and myself to settle, as there will be many surprises, some pleasant, others not so much, on that day–it should give one pause as to the gravity of the call of God to repentance. Rather than get bogged down over how God will judge the African who never hears the Gospel, I have a responsibility to answer that news as I am hearing it. As do you.

(b) Let’s look at the dynamic that led to her unraveling:

This changed one day during a conversation with my friend Alex. I had a habit of bouncing theological questions off him, and one particular day, I asked him this: If God was absolutely moral, because morality was absolute, and if the nature of “right” and “wrong” surpassed space, time, and existence, and if it was as much a fundamental property of reality as math, then why were some things a sin in the Old Testament but not a sin in the New Testament?

Alex had no answer — and I realized I didn’t either. Everyone had always explained this problem away using the principle that Jesus’ sacrifice meant we wouldn’t have to follow those ancient laws. 
But that wasn’t an answer. In fact, by the very nature of the problem, there was no possible answer that would align with Christianity.



I still remember sitting there in my dorm room bunk bed, staring at the cheap plywood desk, and feeling something horrible shift inside me, a vast chasm opening up beneath my identity, and I could only sit there and watch it fall away into darkness. The Bible is not infallible, logic whispered from the depths, and I had no defense against it. If it’s not infallible, you’ve been basing your life’s beliefs on the oral traditions of a Middle Eastern tribe. The Bible lied to you.

Well, Rachael, it does beg the question: are you really interested in the answers–because there are some pretty darn good ones and you are totally overlooking them–or are you simply rebelling against your upbringing and embarking on a path that seems right to you, all because that seems more “liberating”?

To answer your question about the Old Testament and the New Testament,

(1) There are some laws–that applied specifically to Temple worship–regarding ritual purity that are no longer in play because the sacrifice of Jesus Christ supersedes the animal sacrifice system.

Now that we have THE Sacrifice–once and for all–the OT laws that pertained to the vagaries of the sacrifice system are no longer in play, because they have been superseded. After all, once THE Atonement has been sacrificed in time and space, there is no need for more sin offerings.

Moreover, now that we have THE High Priest–risen from the dead, sitting at the right hand of God, interceding for us, we no longer need a Levitical priest to go to the “holy of holies” on our behalf. Jesus–sitting at the right hand of God–is all the High Priest we need.

We also have the right–FREEDOM–to boldly approach the throne of grace. Remember Esther? She was worried about the real possibility of a death sentence for approaching the King, who was her own husband. Similarly, it was not uncommon for High Priests to enter the Holy Place and be struck dead; that is why they had a rope with bells attached, so the other priests could pull them out if they died.

Contrasting that, you and I can approach the King of the Universe–boldly–and not fear death.

That is the fundamental way in which the OT relates to the NT.

(2) Along those lines, the OT gives us a portrait of several things:

(a) the nature and character of God;

(b) how that nature and character are reflective in His expectations of us;

(c) our nature;

(d) what life is without Christ;

(e) the futility of humans–even with full knowledge of the Law–without Christ.

The world–without Christ–leaves us with many unpleasant realities. While the OT law was a major step up for women in those days, without Christ the major inequities remained. Purification periods varied for baby girls versus baby boys. Aunt Flo created a monthly dilemma of ritual impurity for women. Anyone stricken with leprosy was–barring a miracle–ostracized from society.

And slavery–a most unpleasant topic–was reflective of the human condition. People don’t generally choose to be slaves; they cannot do anything to earn their way out of it; while in slavery, they are subject to the will of their master.

Even then, Scripture provides (a) a pathway to freedom for Israelite slaves, (b) a marginal incentive for Israelites to free non-Israelite slaves, and (c) each of those things are a portrait of God’s love and plan for redemption.

Ditto for leprosy: a leper could do nothing to cure himself, as leprosy was incurable. Barring provision from God, a leper was subject to life as an outcast. It is a portrait of who we are, sans Christ. The compassion that Jesus showed to lepers is indicative of the compassion we are called to show to those who do not know Christ.

When a covenant was put into place, it was binding until either (a) the death of one of the parties, (b) one of the parties broke the covenant and was then subject to death, or (c) the covenant in force was superseded by a new covenant.

While God’s morality and character are absolute, the nature of His relationship with humanity changes. The OT Covenants are reflective of God’s extension of love in their pericopes, even as they pointed to Jesus Christ. In Christ, we have a covenant that supersedes the old. As a result of that, some terms and conditions of the old covenant–that were tied to systems that were specific to the old covenant–are no longer in play. They weren’t nullified; merely superseded.

Still, we get very specific directives for Christian living in the New Covenant, and those have many commonalities with the Old. The most important one–to love God with all heart, soul, strength, and might–is still in play. Jesus decreed that. Ditto for the command to love one’s neighbor as one’s self. As Jesus said, all other commands hang on those two.

And that leads me to the next point:



I was no longer a Christian. That thought was a punch to the gut, a wave of nausea and terror. Who was I, now, when all this had gone away? What did I know? What did I have to cling to? Where was my comfort? 

I didn’t know it, but I was free.



For a long time I couldn’t have sex with my boyfriend (of over a year by this point) without crippling guilt. I had anxiety that I was going to Hell. I felt like I was standing upon glass, and, though I knew it was safe, every time I glanced down I saw death. I had trouble coping with the fact that my entire childhood education now essentially meant nothing — I had been schooled in a sham. I had to start from scratch in entering and learning about this secular world. Uncertainty was not something I was accustomed to feeling. Though I had left Christianity intellectually, my emotional beliefs had yet to catch up.

As David pointed out in a comment in the last thread, it sounds to me that your abandonment of Christianity is more of an effort to get away from the guilt of what you know to be wrong: having sex with your boyfriend. It reminds me–from my readings about Alfred Kinsey–of Kinsey’s rejection of Christianity. Rather than accept that your human lusts are what they are–and that any serious Christian will battle with them, sometimes unsuccessfully, and often find need to go to the throne of grace–you’ve chosen to punt on the truth so you can feel better about yourself.

If God is right, then you’re in major sin. If God is wrong, then you can go on guilt-free. You’ve embraced the latter.

While there is much to critique about your upbringing–I’ll get to that in the next installment–it DOES come across to me that you are overtly spiting your parents, and your nonchalance at doing this strikes me as breathtaking in arrogance.

and now, for her finale:

Someone once asked me if I would trade in my childhood for another, if I had the chance, and my answer was no, not for anything.
 My reason is that, without that childhood, I wouldn’t understand what freedom truly is — freedom from a life centered around obedience and submission, freedom to think anything, freedom from guilt and shame, freedom from the perpetual heavy obligation to keep every thought pure. Nothing I’ve ever encountered in my life has been so breathtakingly beautiful. 



Freedom is my God now, and I love this one a thousand times more than I ever loved the last one.

You are showing that you understand neither freedom nor pleasure.

Even if we were just discussing matters in our temporal world, your arguments don’t hold water.

(1) It may strike you as a surprise that the most sexually-satisfied demographic group is married, conservative Protestant women. It is also empirical that devout Catholic couples–i.e. conservative–not only enjoy sex more, but have it more frequently, than anyone else.

Ergo, it seems to me–based on hard evidence–that your abandonment of Christianity, which was rooted in no small part in your desire to have guilt-free sex with your boyfriend, is actually a step toward less (not more) pleasure in that regard.

You’re trading a birthright for a bowl of soup. Thankfully, if you repent, you can get your birthright back. Esau, OTOH, is still hosed.

(2) You are looking at freedom in a vacuum, as the greatest virtue. I understand how tempting that is; after all, I’m a libertarian in my political leanings. Still, where in your calculus does love–including charity–factor?

I say this not to kick dirt in your face, but rather to call you to at least give thought to reconsider…

7 thoughts on “Rachael Slick, Atheist Convert, Part 1

  1. my heart was deeply sad reading her story. i know enough of the kind of home she grew up in to understand some of the choices in her life.

    my first thoughts … she is only 21. she was raised in such an extreme that, when the pendulum swung, the chances of it stopping at plum and not raising to the extreme on the other side were slim (Amir could explain the technical physics of that).

    my heart and prayer would be … that she continue to seek and search for Truth. her journey will be long and difficult and gut-wrenching. if she chooses to allow God to show her who He is, He will do so in ways that are best for her, in ways that will reveal to her His infinite knowledge of who she is, what she’s been through, and how much He loves and adores her. He will probably also do so very slowly and very patiently.

    sadly for people like Rachel, accepting God’s Truth is still a rejection of their parents.

    what is conceived must give birth … sometimes the length of gestation and the length of laboring are long, treacherous, painful, and costly.

    may God bring patient, loving people into her life who will, over the course of many years, show her the true love of God. if she ever truly chooses to receive that kind of love, repentance will be pretty much unavoidable.

  2. You do realize that you provide Rachael with an “answer” to her question about the changing laws of the New vs. Old Testament that she already directly addressed as insufficient (and for solid reason) in the posting to which you are replying?

    “Everyone had always explained this problem away using the principle that Jesus’ sacrifice meant we wouldn’t have to follow those ancient laws. 
But that wasn’t an answer.”

    And she’s right, it’s not, because if the moral underpinnings of those laws are universal and unchanging absolutes then the laws can’t get superseded and still reflect that morality. Responding to the question of why the laws could change given that assumption with what boils down to “because the laws changed” is not an answer.

    • I’m aware of her answer, and no it does not address the matter. The issue isn’t whether there was change from OT to NT–there certainly was–but rather (a) what changes from OT to NT and (b) what are the implications of those changes?

      Is it God who changed? Or is it God’s relationship with humanity that changed.

      As I said, the OT reflects several things:

      (a) the nature and character of God;

      (b) how that nature and character are reflective in His expectations of us;

      (c) our nature;

      (d) what life is without Christ;

      (e) the futility of humans–even with full knowledge of the Law–without Christ.

      Covenants are relationships, and God’s Law–expressed in that covenant–is God’s expression of His character (morality) in terms of that given relationship.

      Where there were inequities, the problem is not with God, but rather the fallenness of Humanity. This is why the Law has some very unpleasant particulars, and we would all probably agree about those particulars.

      The New Covenant (NT), OTOH, reflects a whole new relationship due to the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. It’s not a change in God’s character (morality), but rather a change in God’s relationship with humanity.

      How do I know that God’s morality didn’t change between the two covenants?

      Jesus took on the punishment that God demanded for sin. All those exacting penalties for various sins–death for various immoralities, death for murder, death for witchcraft, etc.–were taken on by God’s Son, who was sufficient to provide Atonement for all.

      Moreover, the sacrifice of Jesus Christ made the entire animal sacrifice system obsolete. This is because the sacrifice of sacrifices renders all other sin offerings moot. This also means that one no longer needs to go to a priest to intercede with God on our behalf, as you can’t get any higher than the High Priest.

      Every covenant has terms and conditions. And every covenant is an expression of relationship between the parties specified in the covenant.

      That all terms and conditions in an older covenant are not included in the new covenant does not reflect a change in the character of party extending the covenant, only the relationship between the two parties.

  3. I’m sure that after reading tripe like this, Rachel will be sure to repent of her wickedness… LOL. The problem with you Christians is that you can’t comprehend that the Bible is a myth–a book of fables from an ancient culture.

    • Thank you for the entertainment, Matt. Your ignorance is bliss to you, but we find it entertaining over here.

      As for Rachael, she’s a grownup. If she wants to have a discussion with us, we’ll be more than happy to accommodate her. MrsLarijani and I would be happy to meet her if she’s ever in our venue, and we would love to discuss any related matters. We have no desire to patronize her.

      I have enough friends who are Atheists; we eat and drink together, we shoot the crap together. My differences with her are theological, not personal.

  4. Who killed some 3000 innocent people in NY City in 2001, Believers or Non-believers?

    If these believing Muslim were Atheists or Agnostics, these 3000 or so New York victims would be alive today.

    Religion results in far more harm and evil than good.

    Look at all those religious wars, the Inquisition, burning of heretics, and suicidal bombings where thousands were victims.

    World War 1 and 2 results in the death of Millions and Millions, and yet the main participants of both wars were all Catholics (Italy and Germany), Christians (Germany), and Shintoist (Japan).

    Both the population and leaders of those countries were raised and brought up in Traditional Religion which did nothing to prevent the Wars and the slaughter of Millions.

    Hitler, Mussolini, and Stalin were all raised as Christians.
    For example, Hitler and Mussolini were raised as Catholics and Stalin was raised a Russian Orthodox (I heard Stalin even wanted to be a priest in his childhood days. Hitler was even a Catholic Altar Boy when he was a Child and was a lifelong Catholic)

    It is not of LACK of belief, but strong BELIEF in religion that causes all this Harm and Evil in the World.
    The FASTEST Growing Religion in the World today is “Non-Belief”, which increased from almost zero over 100 years ago to the third largest Belief in the World (next to Christianity and Islam).

    The prediction is that it will be the largest Belief in the next 100 years or sooner. Don’t be surprised if almost all Traditional Religious Beliefs will be extinct as Greek Mythology by then.

    • Bizbird: After reading your little missive, I’ve decided you fit into one of four categories:

      (a) You are a Christian who is trying to make Atheists look stupid;

      (b) You really ARE an Atheist, and you are parroting a pile of crap that someone is feeding you;

      (c) your ideology has impeded your ability to think coherently,

      (d) you really ARE that stupid.

      Who killed some 3000 innocent people in NY City in 2001, Believers or Non-believers?

      Fact is, everyone is a “believer” in something, even the Atheist. In fact, the Atheist not only has a large amount of faith; his or her faith has far less rational basis than that of the Christian, Muslim, or Jew.

      So don’t march over here and give me this line that Atheists “aren’t believers”.

      If these believing Muslim were Atheists or Agnostics, these 3000 or so New York victims would be alive today.

      When Atheists wreak havoc, they kill a heck of a lot more than 3,000.

      Atheists in government have indeed had quite the bloody track record, and this dwarfs the combined total of harm done by Christians.

      USSR, China, Cambodia, Vietnam, Cuba…

      Religion results in far more harm and evil than good.

      You obviously know nothing about history, and even less about math. Fact is, less than ten percent of all recorded wars in world history have had anything to do with religion. Don’t believe me? As Casey Stengel said: “You can look it up!”

      Atheist governments–in the last century alone–have killed more of their own people in peacetime than Christians have killed in the crusades, Inquisition, and related atrocities combined.

      World War 1 and 2 results in the death of Millions and Millions, and yet the main participants of both wars were all Catholics (Italy and Germany), Christians (Germany), and Shintoist (Japan).

      The governments that started those wars–except for Shintoist Japan–were very secular and quite anti-Christian (not to mention anti-Jew). Hitler embraced Paganism and sought to destroy Christianity; Mussolini was an Atheist–who converted to Catholicism shortly before his death–and spent his political career in opposition to the Church; Stalin was an Atheist who waged active war against the Church.

      Hitler, Mussolini, and Stalin were all raised as Christians.

      In spite of his childhood, Hitler was a secular-leaning Pagan in his political career;

      Stalin–in spite of his Christian roots–embraced Atheism.

      Mussolini was raised as a Catholic, but embraced Atheism for most of his political career.

      And don’t forget the rest of the century: Mao Zedong (who killed over 70 million of his own people ) and Pol Pot (who killed a quarter of his population) were each Atheists who waged active war against Christians. And that doesn’t even include Che Guevara and Fidel Castro in our hemisphere.

      It is not of LACK of belief, but strong BELIEF in religion that causes all this Harm and Evil in the World.

      Actually, it is Atheist utopian mindset that has led to the worst atrocities in world history.

      In contrast, Christians have–for all their faults–provided great benefits to the world:

      (1) The Christians gave us the first hospitals;

      (2) The Christians gave us the first universities;

      (3) The Christians gave us some of the most foundational scientists;

      (4) The Christians put civilization in Western Civilization.

      (5) The popular causes of freedom over the last 200 years–from the abolition of slavery to the premise that Man has rights that are inalienable and endowed by the Creator, to the modern Civil Rights movement–are exclusively tied to Christianity.

      If there is no God, then who are you to rail about atrocities and abuses? After all, minus God, there is no objective basis for “Harm” and “Evil”, as right and wrong become subject to which side has better artillery.

      The FASTEST Growing Religion in the World today is “Non-Belief”, which increased from almost zero over 100 years ago to the third largest Belief in the World (next to Christianity and Islam).

      And that is subject to change, as the Law of Diminishing Returns will kick in. Right now, Islam is increasingly popular, as women–of all people–are drawn to the strong moral and theological requirements. And Christian revivals are not unprecedented, particularly in times of economic calamity.

      The prediction is that it will be the largest Belief in the next 100 years or sooner. Don’t be surprised if almost all Traditional Religious Beliefs will be extinct as Greek Mythology by then.

      Secularism will have its run, and their dogs will have their day. But here’s the problem with your prediction: demographics are pointing to eventual societal collapse in most of the developed world.

      When that happens, the whole game will fundamentally change, and–when that happens–the triumph of secularism will hardly be a settled matter.

      At one time, the Muslims were gaining great traction in Europe, but the Reconquista–which took centuries–turned that tide.

      My prediction: most of what we see now in terms of national boundaries will become moot; we will see the end of the American republic; Europe will break up; Asia will be unstable and constantly at war; we may even see at least one World War in the next 50 years, the carnage of which will dwarf all the wars of the last 100 years.

      What will the religious landscape look like in the fallout of all of that? It’s anybody’s guess, but here’s my prediction: Christianity will make the mother of all comebacks.

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